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LEGISLATION; Suffolk Moves to Ban Youth-Tempting Drug
By STEWART AIN
BEFORE voting Tuesday to ban the sale and possession of the hallucinogenic drug Salvia divinorum, Lynne C. Nowick, a Suffolk County legislator, showed her colleagues two videos posted on YouTube.
In the first, a teenager waves his left arm while seated and staring blankly as someone else laughs. A voice in the background attributes the boy’s actions to Salvia. In the second video, a teenager appearing to be in a daze after smoking Salvia is encouraged to sit down. He does, and minutes later crawls along the floor on all fours.
Ms. Nowick, a Smithtown Republican, sponsored the bill to ban Salvia divinorum (pronounced SAL-vee-ah dee-vin-OR-um), which is inexpensive, easily accessible and legal in most of the country.
She said she began researching the drug a year ago after seeing a news report about a 17-year-old Delaware high school student who committed suicide in 2006 after smoking Salvia. The medical examiner ruled that Salvia divinorum contributed to the boy’s death, and Delaware lawmakers banned the drug.
The Suffolk County law, which was passed, 17 to 0, includes penalties of up to a $1,000 fine and a year in prison. Steve Levy, the county executive, said he would sign the ban into law after conducting a public hearing within the next 30 days. It would become effective immediately.
According to the Drug Enforcement Administration, Salvia divinorum is a perennial plant native to Oaxaca, Mexico. Salvia divinorum, an herb similar to the sage plant, has large green leaves that when smoked or chewed induce ”mystical or hallucinogenic experiences,” the agency says.
Until now, Salvia divinorum has been sold on the Internet and in several smoke shops in Suffolk, the Suffolk County Police said. Susan E. Eckert, an aide in Ms. Nowick’s office, said she bought about a half-ounce of it Feb. 27 for $15 plus tax at a store in Commack.
Krista R. Whitman, a chemical dependency coordinator at the Pederson-Krag Center in Smithtown, an outpatient behavioral health and chemical dependency treatment center, said teenagers as young as 13 began reporting their use of Salvia divinorum about two years ago.
”We have noticed that adolescents are using it frequently because it is legal and it can’t be detected in urine drug screenings,” she said. She said the highs are strongest in the first few minutes.
Ms. Whitman said that since the beginning of 2006, there has been a 30 to 40 percent increase in Salvia use by those treated at her agency. ”It went from something we didn’t even think to screen for to something we now ask all the kids about,” she said.
Dr. Humayun J. Chaudhry, commissioner of the Suffolk Department of Health Services, said Salvia divinorum has no medicinal use.
Although there are no federal restrictions on the sale or possession of Salvia divinorum, a growing number of states and countries are clamping down. The federal Justice Department said seven states and eight nations had placed controls on Salvia divinorum or Salvinorin A, the plant’s active component, and a dozen states, including New York, were considering restrictions.
Anthony T. Ferrandino, a drug and alcohol counselor in the Northport-East Northport School District, said he recently began asking students if they used Salvia.
”Several of the kids admitted experimenting with it, and one kid described the high,” Mr. Ferrandino recalled. ”He said it was like an out-of-body experience — like he was in an altered reality state. He said it lasted 15 minutes.”
Maureen Rossi, president of Kings Park in the kNOw, a group of 20 residents formed to educate parents and children about the dangers of substance abuse, said that although the use of Salvia divinorum ”is not a huge problem here, some kids have used it.”
”Just look at YouTube,” she said. ”Will this law keep Suffolk County teenagers from using Salvia? No, because they can still buy it on the Internet. But at the end of the day, it creates an important dialogue and is a step in the right direction.”
PHOTO: PROPOSAL TO BAN: Lynne C. Nowick, a Suffolk County legislator, with a package of the hallucinogenic drug Salvia divinorum. (PHOTOGRAPH BY KIRK CONDYLES FOR THE NEW YORK TIMES)
Last year, age 17, I used salvia for the first time. I read up on the effects, no videos. Anyways I bought it myself underage when i was visiting for a family reunion. When everyone went to bed around 11pm me and my cousins headed across the road to the other end of a apple tree orchard where we smoked.
We were sitting in the dirt and I was first to go, I passed the bong away, held in till i needed to breathe. by this time I felt the tingling and when I looked over to my cousins I hallucinated them laughing hysterically right at me. I went out of body, falling forwards and could see myself and my cousins sitting there from 20 feet away… I thought it would never end and this would be it. They were also talking and I began trying to merge two of the words they spoke. To be..tobe..toby… anyways i was unconciously mumbling this and making no sense. right after i NEEDED to go somewhere. told my cousins i had to go and took off running down a lane of apple trees. I couldnt make out the trees much since i was running in the dark tripping balls and the nearly full moon was over head. That image will stay in my head forever…anyways The vison kicked in, i was a farmer boy running to my farm house for dinner. my “mom” was calling me dinner i suppose so I began yelling im coming or something but my cousins told me I was off in the orchard yelling like a retard… i dont remember it or i cant say yes i was yelling…just calling for my mom in the dreamstate. after what felt like an hour of running endlessly down this repeating orchard i began to come back…noticed a branch with an apple sticking out… i veered towards it and the the bounced off of my forhead. yes that was an apple i thought.
once i got to the road and could see the house I thought… what the… holy fuck howd i get over here. I… Im suposed to be back there with my cousins right? so I begin my trek to the back and yelled “you guys there” not knowing if they had left. they replied and i felt a lot better. still coming down i didnt want to talk about how my trip went because i didnt know what happened. the usual come down i supose. they went next but didnt trip as hard. probably got scared from watching me since they’ve only used salvia once before in smaller doses.
Ive tried salvia in lower doses since this and i still get that feeling i need to do something. its very very overwhelming. i must go somewhere. i cant understand it and I cant find any info about it.
First I had no idea what to expect, I was thinking some killer bud like from Amsterdam. As I held it in, I remember telling my two boys, it taste like leaf from homegrown stashes. Then I began to fall backwards, not sure if I was faking it playing around cause my one boy was waving his hands joking ohhhh we gonna trip.. blah blah..
Then my friend who had the stuff, grabbed me, held me up and said it was cool, I literally felt as if my bones were melting out of my body. I could feel the sticks on my arms, so weird.
Then I stood up and we were in a shed, I walked to the outside, walked back inside and I thought I was getting kicked out of my own freaking head, that the other two guys were some sort of operators of my body and that since I cracked the experience, they were saying, let him go, as I walked outdoors..
When I came back in, there was sawdust on the ground and I looked closely and I thought it was a sea of mini people, chanting my name as I looked closely I actually picked on of them up… then I stood up and then I came back slowly…
Amazing intense experience, Im not into tripping at all, but this experience was nuts.. Very interesting out of the body experience…
First experience took place at my dads on the side of his house. It was a nice sunny day.
I have had previous experiences with mind altering drugs but I wasn’t expecting anything this good…especially knowing it was legal too.
Tried a couple hits with just salvia leaves and didn’t experience much. After the 3rd hit I could tell there was a slight difference in colors within my surrounding. Everything looked a little more vivid.
Its not until I took the hit of my 10x supply. I used a butane lighter which I read was the way you were suppose to do it. After holding it in for about 25 seconds I blew it out. As I began setting the bong down I could tell my depth perception was off. The grass seemed farther away which made it slightly harder setting the bong down.
After the bong was safely on the ground I leaned back knowing something was off. When I opened my eyes suddenly everything turned into a comic book. The trees and bushes in front of me began opening up. I began feeling a pressure pushing me to the left until I was eventually all the way on the ground. I stayed there for the majority of my trip.
It felt as if I was 4 feet below the surface…gazing up at my dad sitting on the edge looking down at me with his camera. I tried pulling myself up but it was no luck. The gravity sensation was just too strong.
I clearly remembering seeing about 5-6 people standing near my dad watching me. I would later find out this is what salvia users call “watchers.” And they were doing just that. Watching me and slightly mumbling among themselves.
Off and on during the trip I was in tears laughing!
The trip lasted strong for about 5 minutes. Afterwards I started sweating and sat piecefully pondering what just happened.
I will definetly try salvia again. I don’t know if I’m ready for 15x or 20x yet. I can see how potent this stuff can be and how far it can seperate you from this waking reality. The only part I didn’t like was feeling tired afterwards. I mean REALLY TIRED…I slept for a good 4 hours afterwards and felt still slightly drained when I woke up.
has anyone else experienced this tiredness afterwards…any recommendations?
I’ve searched high and low for negative effects on Salvia and I have never read or heard of anyone getting quite as tired as me after their trip.
If you would like to see my 10 minute Salvia video:
Go to youtube.com
Click on “first salvia trip 5x”
(When I made the video I thought it was 5x I had…later I would come to realize it was 10x I had for my first trip)
Based on a mixture of similar ideas and believed experiences from those who have used salvia, I’ve come to some conclusions.
Salvia isnt so much a drug as just a way of opening up latent abilities in all of us. Most of us get that scared feeling because we are slipping away from reality and the self “ego”. the total loss of ego and grounding to everything we ever knew of anything is too much for most. Most dont cross over the threshold, so to say. Just approaching or starting to slip away as some call it, is terrifying enough for most. But when you cross over…
Most use salvia very foolishly and disrespectfully. it is a very sacred plant of the sage family. It allows use humans to do things and go places we cannot fathom now in this reality. most overuse it and thus go into those seizure like trance possessed zombie states. and then they dont remember any of it really but are terrified enough to never do it again. which is why i dont feel its appropriate to call Salvia Divinorum a drug.
Its a plant that allows usage of our deep spiritual cosmic links to God. I believe with enough controlled sessions you canget clues to the bigger pieces to our universe and how what we call “god” plays into that. also ties into ancient civilizations (12,000+ years ago ie Atlantis, Lemuria, etc), aliens and so much more. everything is connected, but there is all one source. It goes much deeper and interweaves with the very existence of thought and the self and space and anything. Much further than any human religion, it is the source, the creator, the “god”. All around us and in all of us, anything ever existing or conceiving to exist.
Also goes into levels of existence and death is just a physical death. the soul never dies, reincarnation and how that ties into our ideas of the creator or source(god), and so much more.
Get educated, open your mind, and dont just be good to others, be good to yourself. lose yourself in the progression of others and humanity as a collective. We’re all in this together. We’re here for soul growth. We all have a purpose. Every single one of use. Some of us are lost yes. They need more help. We need to grow to become better souls and ascend to a higher level of being and consciousness together. beyond this physical world. through reincarnation. back to God. the source, the one.
I was at reading fest last summer when a friend offered some salvia
i was at a festival.. hardly going to say no..
in all honesty i had never heard of salvia before or it’s effects but was told the trips were similar to LSD so screw it, might as well festivals not a festival without a bit of experimentation.
Jesus christ…,i didnt think it would be that harsh!
anyhow first two hits were fine experiencing like level 1-2 laughing at my mates hawaiian shirt seeing it move and swirl, that sort of thing..
then on the third hit i literally felt myself leave my body and the physical world and went to what i’d call a dream world? I had left the visual world and all my senses were now in my hallucination.
haha i just remember saying after the third hit, “ahh man i’ll be back in 5″
i entered this like spinning vortex where this angel-like woman was in total control and pulling me upwards through these spinning doors and zips around me it was like a black hole or porthole guiding me through with the most amazing colours and patterns whirling and spinning, I persumed I was entering the “real” world and this life in fact wasn’t the true world. I went into a huge state of panic and realised i’d be leaving my bofriend, friends, sister etc in the apparant world and started to cry as tried to escape this world but there was no way i could. These spinning shutters and doors every 2 seconds or so would flicker the real world and so was able to see my friends for a moment and realised that was the loop hole back to the real world. However, in this image everything was made of lego, kinda weird. After about 3 minuits of crying and in total panic i managed to secure the loop hole and got through, everything still made of lego bricks, fucking weird. After that it began to fade away but I was pretty silent for a few hours after in a state of shock. Doesn’t sound that scary but the thought of leaving this world just did my head in, it was like salvia was what accessed you into the real world and this one had been a big lie. Haha i reckon i’d try it again.
I recently secured a gram of 30x Salvia Divinorum through an online vendor, and having read numerous online accounts of this bizzare legal psychedelic, and for the most part assumed the stories were greatly exagerated, or told by people with limited tripping experience, I wanted to try the strongest I could find.
Wow, was I wrong, Salvia Divinorum is a mind-freak of the HIGHEST order, and should NEVER be taken without extensive research and precaution.
The absolute minimum level of safety has to include a sitter and a soft, if not padded room!
I will attempt to summarize my experience as briefly as I can, but the sure gravity of that experience CANNOT be understated.
Well, having read the online warnings and anecdotes, I was very careful, so I thought, to be in a safe environment, i.e. my couch, with a sober and attentive babysitter at my side.
I packed a glass bowl with maybe 1/4 gram, took about the biggest hit I could without choking, and sat back on the couch, holding it in as long as I could before slowly letting it out.
Within 20-30 seconds the effects became OVERWHELMING, the last thing I said out loud to my sitter was “oh, I can see it…” or something to that effect.
Basically, from one hit, and within half a minute I was FULL blown PEAKING on the most intense trip imaginable.
Unexplainable, indescribable, mind-altering psycho-f—!
My mind/ego no longer existed in 2 of the 4 dimensions, there was no time and no left or right. By no left or right I mean the concept of left as being different from right, or vice-versa was impossible, I felt like I was in 2 dimensions and thinned out to one atom thick. Time did not seem to move forward or back, or exist as a dimension at all. I now existed on a one sided plane without any awarness of being in a body whatsoever, except a slight feeling or being paralyzed physically, though I dont think I actually was.
I became fused within the inanimate world and was no longer a physical entity, only a 2 dimensional consciousness with no body.
I could not see my body and no longer knew where I was.
Most importantly to note is this, I was absolutely TERRIFIED, and later realized that I had never been truly scared until that moment. I was being washed away into oblivion one atom at a time and was crying out to my sitter for help, “Please, save me, no save yourself, get away, it will get you too”.
When I began to come back, my left side felt unbearable hot, and my right side freezing cold. I was pale, shaking, and covered from head to toe in a thick sheen of cold sweat.
Strangely, it lasted ONLY about 4 minutes (240 seconds), and nothing seemed that unusual to my sitter, I just looked really confused and pale, but none of what I thought I was saying was actually out loud, I could not speak or move…total psychological paralysis coupled with absolute fear and loathing in Colorado!
If you ever experiment with this legal sage, be advised, it does not compare in any way shape or form with anything I have ever taken, and I have taken nearly all of them!.
Salvia Divinorum makes LSD seem like beer, and that is not an exaggeration.
In a nutshell, it induced a fully awake nightmare of the most terrifying nature, yet somehow I want more.
Although I did swear NEVER to take Sally again after I came to, one wonders what doors it could open…
There is is no language capable of truly expressing this indescribable experience.
I’ve done some crazy high doses of salvia before in my journeys, but this one left me shaken more than usual.
They say be careful what you ask for; yeah, that would be good advice. I grounded and centered myself. I asked my guides/guardian angels for their assistance in my journey. I asked God/The Universe/Great Spirit, etc. for knowledge, wisdom, and insight into this sojourn on earth. I asked to gain wisdom into how I could best solve my problems. i asked for the veil of illusion to come off.
I sat with my sitter and loaded up a nice plug of extremely fresh standardized 20x. It deserves to be mentioned that I still had a lot of salvia in my bloodstream from my three previous hits (one hit of raw foliage, 5x, and 10x respectively before the 20x). I incinerate the sally with the torch lighter, and in goes a large quantity of smoke.
Thirty seconds later, I blow the smoke out. As the smoke leaves my lungs, it forms a rod of light coming out of my mouth, and forms a pillar like a laser beam. I manage to lie on my back before totally leaving this reality.
The next thing I realize is that I am pulled backward and out of my body. I sink into the ground and become one with it. I feel my spirit face pulled out of my fleshly face, like being pulled out of a mask. I next feel my spirit pulled out of my body like being pulled out of a robe.
My earth body is fused into material reality, which is not reality at all, and it is separated from “me,” rather forcefully I must say. I realize that the reality we know is like a play of lights and shadows. What I knew as tangible and real was nothing more than a flimsy, thin sheet of a reality.
Picture your spirit body wrapped tightly in a giant sheet of plastic, like plastic wrap. It wraps around your entire body from front to back. Behind you is darkness. You are projected into (but not through) this sheet of plastic. The plastic naturally covers your entire face. Your eyes look through this sheet of plastic, and the sheet acts as a kaleidoscope which creates the light and shadow play we experience as this life, sort of like a spiritual lense. The sheet of plastic is our entire reality that experiences this earth. I come to know that the real “me” is a supersoul that is my true reality that resides in the spirit world. The consciousness we experience here on earth is extremely limited, and when we die and give up this body we rejoin our supersoul. It’s almost as if there’s a bigger “us” sitting in the spirit world pulling the strings that allows us to act and create and form our material world and our reality. It’s sort of like we’re temporarily caught in an unreal game which serves as a giant school room for spiritual evolution.
When I came back to earth consciousness, I felt like I was squashed into a prison cell. I felt suffocated in this body.
I had questions answered that I had sought the answers to for a lifetime. I experienced wisdom and perspective that will take me weeks to process and communicate.
Much more took place, too much to mention in this one post. So, I will continue to tell the story in the next post.
Until then, happy journeys.
[I'm still tripping a bit, but here it goes]:
Tonight I may have received an answer to a question I have been pondering for some time. And, this answer seems to mirror all that quantum physics has postulated.
I usually feel a “presence” once I go into my journey, but what is this presence? Is it/are they beings that guide the journey? Is it one guide that guides the experience? Or is it not a being but a mechanical but intelligent process that guides the journey?
Tonight I think I got my answer.
I inhaled the 3rd or so bowl of salvia and held it for 30 seconds. I saw my hands and body smear into waves of energy and merge with my surroundings which were now all light energy as well. My world narrowed around me and engulfed me in a tunnel of swirling energy. Suddenly, I felt the presence.
I experienced everything in the environment come alive and swirl in translucent light energy. All the sounds seemed to be speaking to me. The slightest sound of a human, a bird, etc. seemed to be penetrating deeply into my soul. It all was intelligent in this alternate reality.
My non-solid reality, existing solely of energy, related to me personally. I felt the energy of every visible and sub-atomic particle relating with me.
Then it hit me: I am experiencing the consciousness of all that is in time and space within this system I am dwelling in! There is a latent consciousness in every “solid” object, in sound and music, in light, water, the air, and any matter we may experience. It’s a different consciousness than what we normally experience, but there is a consciousness to even the smallest particle in the universe.
This knowledge hit me hard, and thrilled me greatly. Was I experiencing “a” being(s)? Perhaps. But my feeling of being non-dual existence allowed me to glimpse “behind the curtain” and feel the consciousness of the universe that lies just under the threshold of material consciousness. So, if it was a being, this being came from something even higher, and its constitutional makeup derives from even a higher consciousness, still existing of light and energy.
I Experienced Everything as Consciousness. It was all light, with consciousness inherent in it.
Has anyone here on this board felt anything similar before? I’d love to hear your stories that mirror this.
For a real example of this, try listening to some very alive, but relaxing music – with lyrics – while on salvia. Music is a great example of this.You will feel the music exist as consciousness that speaks directly to you. You will realize that music is a “thing,” and has form and consciousness as well as sound. And no matter what you receive, you will receive something from the music.
“Come on!,” they waved to me.
“Crumble, crumble, crumble!” is what they said, as they reached out towards me to grab me and pull me into a swirling vortex of energy leading to an alternate reality.
I know this sounds weird, but then again, so is the whole salvia experience.
The space around me closed in to form a tunnel, with only a narrow circular space in front of me revealing the world of our known “reality.” It was sort of like staring out of a tiny porthole and seeing the small remaining vestige of the world we know. I was pulled in, as was everything in my outer reality.
A whole group of green energy beings that looked liked stalks of green vegetation were pulling me out of my body and into the alternate reality. I maintained about a 10% awareness of our known reality, but I was gone for the most part.
I met one of the green beings there who on a previous trip introduced himself as “The Crumbleenth.” The Crumbleenth and his associates maintained a tight grip on me and kept me pulled into the alternate reality. They rhythmically chanted something that sounded like “Crumble! Crumble! Crumble!,” although I didn’t get the sense that they meant “crumble” in the sense that they wished that I would indeed crumble.
As the amount of Salvinorin A in my bloodstream decreased, the small hole in front of me in which I could view a small glimpse of normal reality widened as the effects wore off. The green beings again said “Come on!,” beckoning me to enter the alternate reality, but as the salvia was wore off, their grip inevitably loosened, and I slipped from their grasp and back into normal reality.
I now experienced a very pleasant space in which I was halfway in between this reality and the alternate reality. I enjoyed this state for several minutes. In fact, five more minutes went by as I enjoyed this slow slide back into reality. Neither reality (known or alternate) had a firm grip on me, so I rode a very enjoyable wave of being “between the worlds.”
As I slid back into this reality, I saw The Crumbleenth and the other green beings fade into the background, until they finally disappeared and I was back to this reality.
As the green beings faded away, I continued to hear them beckon to me:
“Come on! Crumble! Crumble! Crumble!”